Episode 73: AI Will Be 1,000,000x Smarter by 2032. Is Your Leadership Ready?
In 350 years of technological disruption, steam, electricity, the internet, mobile, the number of times a government or industry has successfully stopped a technology from disrupting society is zero.
So the question isn't "should AI happen." It's: are you the leader who adapts, or the one who gets left explaining why you didn't?
I sat down with Brett King, ranked the #7 futurist in the world, advisor to the Obama administration and EU ministers, and dubbed the "King of Disruption" by the banking press, for a conversation that goes far beyond AI trends into what it actually takes to lead in an exponential era.
What we cover:
• Why "should AI exist" is the wrong question, and what leaders should be asking instead
• The real numbers behind AI's growth curve, and why 2032 will look nothing like 2026
• What entry-level job losses this year are already signaling about the next 5 years
• How SCB Thailand's CEO handled the "will AI take my job" conversation with his team, a script for every leader
• Why consciousness, not IQ, is the real leadership differentiator, and the subconscious pattern behind 95% of the behavior AI can't replace
"The economics won't matter, what you'll be asked isn't 'what do you do,' it's what you find meaningful."
About Guest
Brett King is a globally recognized futurist, bestselling author, entrepreneur, and keynote speaker focused on artificial intelligence, fintech, banking, and the future of business. Ranked among the world's leading futurists and fintech influencers, he has delivered more than 1,000 presentations across 80 countries and advised governments, regulators, central banks, and major global brands. Brett is the founder of Moven, a pioneering mobile banking platform, and co-founder of LumaBrush AI, an AI healthcare venture. He hosts the globally ranked podcasts Breaking Banks and The Futurists, reaching millions of listeners in more than 180 countries. His books include Bank 4.0, Augmented, The Rise of Technosocialism, and Branch Tomorrow. His work has been cited by President Xi Jinping, and he has advised the Obama Administration on fintech policy. Known for making complex ideas accessible, Brett helps leaders understand how emerging technologies will reshape industries, organizations, and society over the coming decade and beyond.
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00:00 - Introduction: The host introduces guest Brett King
05:00 - Historical Patterns: King discusses historical tech disruptions over the past 350 years, emphasizing that resistance from governments or industries has never successfully halted technological advancement.
09:44 - Energy Demands of AI
11:15 - AI Scaling Laws
14:43 - The Future Purpose Economy
22:08 - Timelines for Global Milestones
26:36 - Consciousness and Self-Governance
36:41 - Workforce Displacement & Leadership
42:52 - Closing Remarks